Tuesday, March 30, 2010

CS4 not a smooth workflow

I have a complete CS4 Master Suite. PC specs are high, Core 2 Duo 3GHz + 512MV 8600GT GPU, running windows XP.

I have been compelled to move onto Photoshop CS3 a CS4 is not smooth and that welll customizable. Windows always open in full .. anyway these are small things.. But the main fact is that .. when using brushes in CS4, in cs3 they are comparitively much smoother .. and in CS4 that work finish never comes ..

People please try this, and narrate your expenses. Maybe this is happening just with me ? or their might be an upgrade already for the same ? Let the experts test, and please roll out an update soon

CS4 not a smooth workflow

Note : you may not be able to notice this, but after very careful observation you can see the difference in the observation

CS4 not a smooth workflow

Maybe the update you need is already here. Is your Photoshop Version 11.0.1?


Have you updated your video drivers?


You could also read this:


Optimize performance of Photoshop CS4 on Windows XP and Vista

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404439.html

I aint facing with perfomance issues. I have 4GB RAM and a Core 2 Duo 3GHz processor with 512MB of video memory ..

Here is an example of a paint using the default round soft brush

CyberxTremer wrote:

I aint facing with perfomance issues. I have 4GB RAM and a Core 2 Duo 3GHz processor with 512MB of video memory ..

Ehh .. you didnt get my point .. I just replied on you saying I may be having low hardware

Yes and you still haven't given us the information requested!

I agree with CyberxTremer.

CS4 doesn't let you go straight forward as CS3.

(btw: PS is 11.0.1., graphics card is nvidia quadro fx 1700 with latest drivers)

Window management is a real pain, cursor behaviour too. Minimize a window - and then? To restore it, you have to click on 'minimize' again because there is no 'restore'-symbol. Only minimize / full screen / close. Even if the window is already minimized. This really sucks.

The skinned GUI produces permanently small graphic errors within the GUI. Overall it makes more fun to work on my old E6850 dual core than working on the new Q9550 quad core with CS4.

The new GUI of CS simply is a pain in the ***. Unneccessary.

The latest driver statement really means nothing. If you go to the mvidia website there are 5 different driver sets, per OS, listed for your card.

If your talking problems you need to be more specific.

What OS and is it 64 or 32 bit?

How much RAM?

What of the 5 possible driver sets for your FX 1700 do you have installed?

Grapic errors like you listed can be driver related, heat related, and Bios setting related (just to name a few)

Toggle the F key will full screen, picture only, back to normal.

I use PS CS4 on a dual core all the time as it is no faster on my quad core machine. Just the way the software is written.

Mouse problem Example: Logitech set point driver software was causing me issues. Some wireless mice have latency issues too.

RAM: 4 GB, OS XP 32, Nvidia Driver 186.42

The graphic errors are not heat or bios related - maybe they are driver related or os specific.

You can see the ''normal'' windows build up and the the CS4 GUI is layered above. At this point it sometimes will come to errors, where you can see 2 sets of window controls - the CS4 GUI is not loaded completely. Or there are other errors like a stripe going through the whole main menu.

The thing is: why the GUI has to be skinned? CS is running on Windows, the GUI for all application is provided by Windows so why the Adobe-guys let them be Windows anymore? The skin is layered above the ''normal'' Windows-GUI and I'm sure this doesn't make it faster... no, it makes everything slower.

Mouse/Cursor behaviuor: This is NOT mouse / mouse driver related (everything is STANDARD). When you are working with a brush and you want to move the window of your picture then it takes often very long the cursor changes. This is just strange and irritating. Worst is when the picture is maximized, then the cursor doesn't change at all.

I don't want to have a beautiful looking application. It has to be as fast as possible and the interaction with the user has to be as direct as possible. Look at Autodesk Combustion - a GUI based on the standard OS GUI.

And when there are standard windows I don't have to remind the 'F' key, I can control the windows as I used it for years.

Please put the CS4 skin into the trash can and bring an update which cleans up and speeds up. Or integrate an option to disable the skinned GUI.

This is almost certainly a video card driver issue. Keep trying new releases. The PS UI has nothing to do with it.

Just to illustrate how the drivers affect things:

When I first installed CS4, I had driver version 178.24. No problems, everything snappy, except I had occasional ''flashing tiles'' at odd zoom levels. I thought that was a bit annoying, so I updated to 181.22. That fixed it.

Wow, I thought, they really do fix driver bugs. Cool. So I updated again, to 186.18. Everything went fine for a couple of days, then PS crashed out of the blue. And crashed again. And one fine morning the whole machine BSOD'd on me.

Now, I haven't had a BSOD on a working system since Windows ME, so I figured it had to be that driver. Search for new driver, this time 190.38.

I've no idea if that driver would cause any crashes, because I now got to know the dreaded lag. The cursor would reluctantly come dragging along a couple of minutes (or so it felt) after I moved the mouse. Inside of ten minutes I threw that driver away.

So I'm back to 181.22, and they'll have to pry that driver out of my cold, stiff hands. I haven't seen any crashes since.

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You'd think nVidia should be able to get this right, but the money is in games, not Photoshop. So what's a little bending of the specs between friends...

Nvidia should fix drivers because of redraw errors of the non-Windows-conform CS-GUI?

Why should they? Leave the GUI like Windows standard and there would be NO problems at all. The GUI-skin is just unneccessary crap.

Maybe the drivers are related to the redraw problems but it must be pointed out that no one needs the CS4 GUI skin and there is no reason for it - except some people at Adobe who might think that they are really cool. Driver / OS related problems are predictable when I'm going to overwrite the OS GUI. And you can see every time the CS4 GUI is build up that there comes first the standard Windows-GUI and then the CS4 is layered above. It drives me nuts.

Look at the old Macromedia Freehand 9. The GUI of the application runs so fast and snappy without any latency - just a dream. CS4 is miles away - but: it looks fancy. Yeah.

It would certainly be great if they got rid of that GUI in CS5!


I don't have problems with speed but it's just plain annoying (pun intended) how so many things have changed.


The trouble is it was announced with such a triumphant fanfare as as ''a major advamce in GUI design'' that it will be hard for them to do a U-turn.



I have to agree with you about the CS4 GUI being............?un-needed and a waste.(trying my bestest to be nice)

Yeah its upgraded to x.01

There are no perfomance issues, Its runs smooth and fine. Its diffecult to explain the actual part, my point is not yet clear (Actually myself unable to clear it out).

When you use the brush, paint, the output doesnt come as goos as CS3. Work output is way better in CS3, And yes there should have been an option to keep the CS3 workspace.

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